This was an interesting listen.
Plebchain Radio: 155 – Capturing The Will‑O’‑The‑Wisp with UTXO The Webmaster
Episode webpage: https://primal.net/plebchainradio
Media file: https://feeds.fountain.fm/xRzQd3loNa0ItnvWXcOz/items/zkDh1nqJ1MNAujsB8xZx/files/AUDIO---DEFAULT---76d29c2e-0117-4cc0-a1ed-45a924f94bee.mp3